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myers at 12:35 a. m. on nbc. that happens, like, three floors up from where i'm sitting right now. set your dvr's if it's too late for you. you don't want to miss. at the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight -- donald trump's mounting legal woes. the manhattan d. a. asking for a gag order as the former president appeals that nearly half a billion dollar judgment in his civil case. looking ahead to tomorrow's michigan primary. nikki haley pushing on with her campaign. why her loss in south carolina wasn't on the news for donald trump. supreme court case that could transform speech on the internet. a spotlight on how social media has become more dangerous for children, as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. good evening, once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. we are now 253 days away from the election. the first criminal trial of a former president, donald j trump, is now less than one month away. the prosecutor in the case is
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already asking a judge for partial gag order. alvin bragg wants trump to be barred from talking about witnesses, jurors or prospective jurors in the hush money case here in new york, which is set to begin next month. trump has already been gagged into cases, including the civil fraud trial where he was hit with hundreds of millions in damages, which he officially appealed earlier today. in all of this is just the beginning of the appeals process. right now, trump is facing a atlanta put up nearly half a billion dollars for his new york city fraud judgment. this week, both donald trump and president biden will also be visiting the southern border in separate visits this coming thursday. the president is reportedly considering taking sweeping executive action when it comes
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to asylum. it is clearly an issue for voters. for the first time since they started asking the question, back in 2015, monmouth found that a slim majority of americans now favor building some sort of border wall. last month, an nbc news poll found that trump leads biden by 35 points when it comes to who voters trust to secure the border and handle immigration. washington is back on a government shutdown watch. i cannot believe i'm saying this again. without action from congress, a partial shutdown would hit on friday with a full shutdown coming the following friday. president biden is set to meet with the top lawmakers at the white house tomorrow to talk all of this over. with that, let's get smarter tonight with the help of our leadoff panel. shannon pettypiece is here, veteran journalist and our senior policy reporter for nbc news, broadwater joins us, congressional reporter for the new york times and former new york prosecutor civil rights attorney, charles coleman is here. charles, i know your mother is visiting tonight, but you chose to spend the night with us. the first question goes to you. what do you think about this cake order?
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is the judge going to granted? assuming he does, should we assume trump will appeal it? >> i do think it's going to be granted at least in some form to some degree. i think one of the reasons why that is so good news, or such good news, rather -- for everyone, for the trial, for the justice system as a whole. >> there you go. >> because what we know of donald trump, he has already shown us to be true, meaning that he has given us the playbook. we have seen with judge engoron, when he came to e. jean carroll, what he will do it with judge chutkan, while he will do with this president given what check-in has already done in d. c. and there is a basis for often break making this ask. particularly because he asked about not only court employees, not only the judges, but particularly the jurors. that's one of the things people don't know. and new york state, a defendant has the right to know the identity of the jurors by name. what they are asking for is a very narrowly taker -- taylor gaye quarter that i do believe is going to be granted because, ultimately, this judge has to prevent this trial from becoming a circus.
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we have already seen it, were over there. alvin bragg was able to use everything that donald trump has already done to put in this request. i do think we are going to see most of, it if not all a bit granted. >> look, charles just said it. we have seen the circus. the last time donald trump was in a courtroom, the judge had to scold him pikas he couldn't control himself. this next trial, trump has no choice. he has to show up. how do you think this whole thing is going to go? >> yeah, look, donald trump being in court is never a good thing for his attorneys. he does make outbursts several times judges have had to tell him specifically that he cannot act the way that he acts in public. he is known to thread in jurors, to put messages out on social media that are negative about judges, about judges, clerks. he's known to whip up a frenzy against people in the courtroom.
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so, yes, i would expect there to be chaos if donald trump is in court. i would expect him to run afoul of judicial orders. i have long said that i believe donald trump gets a lot of leeway in court, more than a normal defendant. i used to cover courts and if anyone did the types of things that he does from the bench many times, says the things he says on social media, they would all find themselves in contempt of court. to date, donald trump has been allowed to get away with some of these antiques and we will see if he is still allowed to do that as these trial dates approach. >> charles, it has seemed like one of trump's greatest assets or allies is the appeals process. it is now just getting underway. can you explain how it works in new york? >> this is going to be a lot different when you are talking about the appeals of these judgments versus the appeals that he is making in criminal court. one of the reasons why is that the case is over. we are mid case when you're talking about judge chutkan at the immune -- the 14th amendment, all of those things are ongoing. this is a judgment that has
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already been entered. both by judge engoron, with respect to the a. g.'s office, as well as e. jean carroll. he has to come up with that money. >> this is what i want to talk about, right? he has to come up with this money in a month. how is that going to work? we've heard the soundbite of tish james saying, he's irene 40 wall street. what does that mean? a month from now, if he doesn't show up with half a billion dollars, she can't seize the building. >> no, she can't. but she can try to do is move to collect, vis-@-vis a plane. which she is going to start to do. what trump is going to start to do is basically go to the clerk and say, i need more time to pay. that by self is not an excuse for you to get the time that you have asked for. you have to have some level of reasonable showing as to what you are doing to trying to get that money. without that, letitia james, her office, can go as a creditor and say, this judgment was entered, this money is owed. i want to put a lean on his assets. she can effectively do that. it really will be up to the judge, once he makes the appeal to the clerk, which people, as to how much time he is going to
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get before the judge actually begins to try to enforce lanes or collective accents letitia james gets. >> is there any scenario where donald trump wouldn't have to pay this money? right? what letter he gets all these delays, now it's next spring. for some reason, donald trump wins the presidential election. can he get this wiped? >> no, stephanie. the beauty about this is this is a civil court at new york state. >> the beauty britney york state. >> the beauty for new york state, not for donald trump in his defense team. he cannot do anything about this, even if he is sitting at the desk at 1600 because, number one, it's a simple matter. number two, it's already concluded that the judgments are already entered. number three, it is a state matter. it's not like with judge chutkan or judge cannon, that he can basically say, look, i'm going to a pro or a new a. g. to dismissal. these are state matters, a civil matter, he is going to have to figure out a way to pay this money. >> shannon, let's talk -- as the new york times is talking about it, president biden is putting a lot more focus on it.
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what is the plan for the white house now? >> well, as you mentioned, there is this visit to the border. certainly polling indicates that this has become a major issue for voters. among the republican base, certainly my republican voters, immigration has always been a top issue. we have seen over the course of the past year in polls and reporting indicates this as well, even among democrats and independent voters, immigration has really increased and a priority in voters. i think that is largely, certainly, because of the impact people have been seeing in their own lives when you are seeing large groups of immigrants who are arriving in cities like new york city and chicago and denver. that is becoming noticeable and some of these communities. it's on the white house's radar. there's talk, my colleagues have reported, about some swift action. something the president can do to show he is taking some action here. as you noted at the beginning,
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steph, you look at those poll numbers and such a wide margin between president biden and president trump on who voters think is best to handle immigration. >> look, the president can only do so much. real immigration reform has to come from congress. donald trump is making sure that doesn't happen. we all know this. he had his allies killed that recent border bill. here's what's crazy -- that monmouth poll that we just talked about found that only a third of americans blame republicans for that bill not getting about. half of them are blaming both parties equally. that is the belief of all of those voters. it's just not true. it was republicans that single- handedly taint this thing. >> yeah. that's absolutely right. but what you are seeing in that poll is mitch mcconnell's great lesson on politics, what she's often said, is that when one party dumps things up in congress and defeat things, which is what mcconnell did to barack obama, the president
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often gets blamed. both parties get blamed or washington in general gets blamed. so, republicans have had a strategy, not just under mcconnell, but house republicans that they know sometimes when they kill something or defeat some democratic priority or foreign bill, that they often don't end up getting the blame, no matter how many times it was in the news media writing who is to blame or who killed something. the public has a lower information voters will often blame washington generally or blame the president often for the state of things and not actually take into the details
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about who is responsible. >> all right, luke, tell us about the looming government shutdown. what's the mood on the hill right now? >> i would say not good. if i had to bet, i think we're heading for a shutdown. as you know, the house took a two week vacation in the middle of negotiations. they don't come back even until wednesday night. that leaves them with no time to pass spending bills. as you noted, it takes a while to get legislation through congress. we have four individual spending bills that still need to pass. even if a deal reached tonight or tomorrow at this meeting
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with president biden, it was still logistically be very difficult to keep the government open ahead of the deadline. i really don't see any way to avoid at least a short government shutdown at this point. tomorrow, president biden will have that big meeting at the white house and we will see if he can put some pressure on congress and the republicans in congress to get a deal. >> well, we did hear from chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell on the threat of a shutdown earlier today. watch this. >> it is clear that when serious minded democrats and serious minded republicans engage each other with a desire to get things done, with a desire to get a yes, good things happen. even in divided government.
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>> shutting down the government is harmful to the country. it never produces outcomes on either policy or politics. what's more, i shut this week is entirely avoidable. we have the means and just enough time this week to avoid
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a shutdown and to make sure there's headway on any appropriations. as always, the task at hand will require that everyone rise in the same direction. >> shannon, those messages are clearly aimed at speaker johnson. is there any chance he is listening? is it more likely he didn't even hear that because he was on the phone with donald trump?
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>> well, i mean, i think there is some chance based off reporting for my colleagues that we could be -- there could be another short term extension. it could kick the can down the road once again. what this means in real life where everyone outside of congress lives is that for the fourth time now, we, since the timber, we are facing this talk of a shutdown, which means federal workers are worried once again about whether they are going to get their pay. when i say federal workers, i mean people who work at airports, if you have an airport in your town or community, there's federal workers there. local social security offices on every military base across the country, across the world. once again, these workers are concerned, wondering when their next paycheck is going to come. >> real vulnerable people caught in the middle of a great pick washington show. shannon, great to see you again. luke, thank you. charles, thank you for being here, especially when you had other engagements in town. when we come back, a look ahead at michigan's primary tomorrow. what is next for nikki haley after a strong showing, but ultimately loss against donald trump on saturday in her home state? later, you must stay for this -- the supreme court, a decision that could shape the future of speech on the internet. what it could mean for social media companies. the 11th hour just getting underway. i'm going to say, it's a very important monday night.
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primary season is heating up. the candidates have turned their attention to michigan, heading to tomorrow's primary in the state. nbc news correspondent gutierrez has things on where they stand. >> reporter: in michigan today, after a landslide defeat in her home state, south carolina, now, a conservative group created by the billionaire koch brothers says they will stop donating to the haley campaign, writing, we don't believe any outside group can make a material difference to widen her path to victory. the former president now, having won the first four contests by wide margins, is looking ahead to the general election. >> we're going to look at joe biden and we're going to look him right in the eye. he's just running our country. we're gonna say, joe, your fired! >> reporter: tomas primary in michigan's high stakes, not just for haley, but for president biden, who is facing fierce backlash over the israel- hamas war. >> free palestine! >> reporter: voters from michigan's huge american air
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population as for a cease-fire. some now plan to vote uncommitted in protest. >> by a direct message to president biden is that, you can't continue to use my american tax dollars to aid and abet an ongoing genocide of my people. >> reporter: late today, president biden says he hopes to for a deal to release hostages held by hamas soon. >> my hope is fine next monday, we will have a cease-fire. >> reporter: governor gretchen whitmer is a national co-chair for biden's campaign. what it uncommitted has a strong showing in this primary? >> there will be a sizeable number of votes for and committed. i think every person's right to make their statement for what is important to them.
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>> reporter: whitmer, now under pressure to deliver the state for president biden. she brushes off voter concerns about his age, saying the president could serve until he is 86. >> for more, i want to welcome don calloway, democratic strategist and host of the caucus for podcast, the first episode drops tomorrow. henry galen is here, cofounder of the lincoln project. he is also worked on a number of gop campaigns, including john mccain, arnold shorten acre, and george w. bush. don, let's start, obviously, in michigan. talk about democrats. sort of the divided situation there because of the situation in gaza. speak to that. >> i want to be clear that i expect that the vast majority of democrats all across the democratic spectrum support a full cease-fire in support, stopping the genocide that's happening in gaza. no one approves of that. i have never seen an overton window ship this quickly in favor of the large number of
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uncommitted bills that -- rashida tlaib and that huge american arab community that they will probably achieve. will biden win? uncommitted is not going to affect president biden. it will be a strong showing. expect 30 to even 40 to 50,000 votes in favor of uncommitted. gretchen whitmer will still deliver the state. it will end up being a strong statement that is not only representative of that air community, but of the larger democratic progressive community. i don't expect there will be much of a major stumbling block for biden going forward got michigan. >> rate, what about the strong statement from south carolina? yes, donald trump won. when the first thing he said
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the podium was how united the party was. it is certainly not. nikki haley got roughly 40% of the vote. yes, it's her home state, but it is a deep red state where both republican senators have been fanning all over donald trump. what did those results tell you? >> look, i think it's a repeat electorally of iowa, new hampshire, now south carolina. trump has not consolidated his base. he is not consolidated the republican party. so, what i would say is this, she is going to stay in the race, however long it is. you know what, i'm agnostic, stephanie, for why she is in it, or for if she's waiting for trump to get sick, arrested, whatever it is. i don't care. i'm glad she's out there. i think she should stay out there. as long as she can make a dent in him, from my perspective, that's good for all of us. what i would say is this -- if you look at the michigan -- excuse me, the south carolina results, there were 25% of
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people in south carolina, republican primary voters who said, they wouldn't vote for trump. that is catastrophic. singularly catastrophic for trump. he can't lose more votes, stephanie. he can't. he has a vast majority, 90 some percent white coalition, right? it is a big monolith. right now, what we're seeing, is cracks in that monolith. the more that he does this year, the crazy here he is going to be. remember, the way to keep his base fired up is to say and do crazier and crazier things. as he does, that he will push more and more nikki haley type republicans back into the undecided poll. >> don, those 25%. they said they will not vote for donald trump. does that make saturday night, at the end of the day, a big win for biden? even if he appeals five or 10% of them off? >> i'm not sure that it does. i'm less concerned about saturday night. i'm more concerned about november. that does not mean that those 25% go democratic and pull for the joe biden lover. i just don't see it. you will probably see that no labels party, the no labels non party, whatever they deem themselves, getting a little bit stronger. you may see a legitimate third party candidate. not someone who can be illegitimate siphon of electoral votes. someone who can't make a statement in november. i really don't see it being something for biden.
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that 25% is not going to joe biden. biden has to continue to concentrate on voters who are turning 18 for the first time in 2024 and not losing the people at the margins, the people who want a free palestine and a small percentage of younger african- american voters who are leading trump or leaning agnostic. remember, coaches always on the ballot when you are talking about the broad democratic coalition. i don't see that never trumper publicans making a big dent in favor of democrats. biden has kissed a focus on building that broad coalition. >> well, there is one very outspoken joe biden surrogate who will not accept that on the ballot is the couch or democracy. he is simply saying, there is way too much at stake. i want to share a bit of what california governor gavin newsom told our kelvin welker yesterday. >> i think what democrats need to do is worry less, do more, continue to over perform as we have. continue to win. make the case. don't be ashamed of 4. 1% gdp over the last two quarters. don't be ashamed of the alliance management of the biden harris administration. don't be timid about making the case for the record of this
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administration. >> mic drop, reed galen. he is clearly making the most aggressive, positive case for president biden. does the president need a whole lot more of that from his team? >> absolutely. i mean, listen, the one thing we know about biden is he has been a fighter his whole life. this is not a -- guy he is no shrinking violet. his campaign needs to start reflecting more of him. they need to go out and throw punches. they need to go take victory laps. we talked about this a couple of weeks ago when i was on the air with you, stephanie. go spread the gospel. tell the good news, right? he is going to pick up some soft republicans who don't want trump. i will tell you this, just as the rams response, it doesn't matter for that 25%, if they voted for biden. if they stay home, that is bad for trump. what i would say this, the president and surrogates like whitmer, like governor newsom,
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they should be out there all day, every day. the presidency is not one man or one woman. the presidency is the white house, the administration, the surrogates, all of the money, all of the people in the states. they need to start acting in concert, holistically. not only to secure the votes for the nomination, but to start telling start republicans, you don't need to go back to donald trump, independent saying, you want nothing to do with this guy. democrats say, are you really? really? you're going to sit on the couch? that's what you're doing in november? you know what this guy did on day one the last time? imagine that 1000 ex come 2025. >> all right. reed galen, don callaghan, thank you so much. we return, the conversation we will all care about. the supreme court, taking on social media networks and free speech. which these arguments could mean for the future of the platform. when the 11th hour continues. when the 11th hour continues.
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"overflowing with ideas and energy." that's the san francisco chronicle endorsing democrat katie porter for senate over all other options. porter is "easily the most impressive candidate." "known for her grilling of corporate executives." with "deep policy knowledge." katie porter's housing plan has "bipartisan-friendly ideas to bring homebuilding costs down." and the chronicle praises "her ideas to end soft corruption in politics." let's shake up the senate. with democrat katie porter.
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i'm katie porter and i approve this message. tonight, we are following two major cases before the supreme court that could transform free speech online. my colleague, laura jarrett has the details. >> reporter: it is a first amendment fight for the digital age. the justices today wrestling with a pair of sweeping laws, restricting how social media giants like facebook and google decide what and who you see online. >> these big tech oligarchy's have made themselves the gatekeepers of free speech. no one gets to do that in america. >> that government cannot violate the first amendment. it especially cannot do so in the name of preserving free speech. that is orwellian. >> reporter: an issue, laws passed in texas and florida, after former president donald trump was kicked off of social media in the wake of the
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capitol attack on january 6th. the states restricting social media platforms from blocking users for their views and burning certain content, moves they say are needed because conservative voices are stifled online. the company say those laws infringe on their free speech rights. pampering -- hampering their ability to play some platforms. a concern the justices highlighted during arguments today. >> when the government excludes speech from the public square, that is obviously a violation of the first amendment. when a private individual or private and to tv makes decisions about what to include and what to exclude, that's protected generally editorial discretion. >> reporter: the ultimate outcome likely turning on whether the high court views social media giants more like newspapers, free to make their own editorial choices, or more like phone companies, open to all, regardless of what a customer says or writes. >> i told you this was
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important. we have a lot to cover here. we have a pair of experts to help us understand it all. jeff horowitz joins us, technology reporter for the wall street journal. francis haugen is here. former facebook product manager turned whistleblower, who has pushed for more oversight of the social media companies. she is also a member of issue 1's council for responsible social media. jeff, what is stake in these cases? >> this is the court attempting to -- i don't to see settle. i don't think there's any chance there going to be doing that. to determine, sort of, the way the platforms are seen and what their roles are. in terms of whether they are supposed to be basically monitor turning anything at all or if that is something that they are basically private
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carriers and, public carriers, who are supposed to provide the services without any regardless of ever to the continent. even if it's public. >> francis, i'm so glad you are here. that last time we spoke, you said that social media companies were about to face a reckoning. are these laws in texas and florida that reckoning you had in mind? >> i would say in some ways the fact that these laws have been in the supreme court, the symptom of the fact that that reckoning i spoke of hasn't reached us yet. we don't have a national law, the federal government hasn't weighed in and set, let's do something structured, systematic. something that updates judicial roles from 1996, when we passed section 2:30 to something more modern. the states have gone ahead. they're not willing to wait. unfortunately, that means we get stuck in situations like this where the supreme court is not the right body to be negotiating how we should be governing the internet. they have very limited tools that they can use right now.
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we are stuck listening to them because we have got to the point where the only people willing to act are the states. now, they are in conflict. it's going up to the supreme court. >> jeff, the premise of these laws is that conservatives are silenced on social media. when you actually look around, that premise is really flimsy. how is his claim of online censorship become a conservative tent pole? >> it certainly has been repeated a lot. there is no doubt that silicon valley is itself a very liberal place. from -- the facebook's headquarters, you have to drive a number of hours before you hit a county that has voted for trump in the election. now, that said, there has been at least concerns of facebook, there has been very little evidence to support the idea that the platform is somehow not harmful to conservative discourse. if anything, it turns out that that most popular figures on
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the platform tend to be conservative and they tend to do really well with facebook's algorithm. it's kind of very hard based on all of the internal work that francis brought out of the company to make the case that there is an issue, you know, pervasive bias in favor of one party or another. also, candidly, sometimes the people making these allegations overestimate how functional the platforms are at regulating speech. sort of a moving speech that is obviously bad. i don't know that they're really up to the task of censorship, if that makes sense. >> frances, i see you nodding your head. >> we've -- some of the documents that are included in the outline, internal employees saying that they thought that in many cases conservative outlets were being special paced, being treated with maybe even more gently than you would expect. when we look at external studies, like what has come from people monitoring the
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platform and what content is distributed and seen by who, we see that when we look at the most popular site pages, news websites distributed on facebook, major conservative outlets and getting disproportionately amounts of -- as you expect. that's like because just said, anger drives clicks. anger drops comments. you end up in these feedback loops where i think the right has been a lot more willing to leverage those strategies. it winds on social media. >> before we go to break, i just want to share a bit of what we heard from justice alito earlier today. >> content moderation, to me, is just editorial destruction. >> is it anything more than he usually misses for censorship? >> if the government is doing it, that content moderation might be a euphemism for censorship. if a private party is doing it, content moderation is a euphemism for editorial discretion, and there is a fundamental difference between the two. >> francis, how would you answer justice alito? is content moderation censorship? >> so, there is a very important distinction between the government mandating certain kinds of speech and
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there are other cases that are likely going to be seen by the supreme court this year, that regard, can the government talk to social media platforms about what content they do or don't distribute it? when a private company is making choices about what kind of sight they want to make, remember, these laws that are in question right now, they're not just going to matter and acts. they're going to apply to places like etsy and pinterest. are we saying that software providers don't have the right to shape what kind of experience they want to provide people? i think it means a lot more to something that is an editorial choice then, say, a government vetoing a political party or
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another. >> javon francis, i'm not letting either one of you go. when we come back, there are two bombshell reports that we need to discuss. they are about the dangers for child influencer on instagram. stick around for this conversation when the 11th hour continues. inues. >> i recommend pronamel repair. with new pronamel repair mouthwash you can enhance that repair beyond brushing. they work great together.
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it starts for everything -- but no one should have to go through the things that your families have suffered. this is why we invest so much and are going to continue doing industry cleaning efforts to make sure that no one has to go through the types of things that your families have had to suffer. >> less than one month ago, mark zuckerberg still stood in congress and apologize to the families of children who had been harmed on his social platforms. new investigations are revealing even more dangerous for kids on instagram. jennifer valentino jeffries joins us now. he she investigated the rest for child influencers on the front page of the sunday to new york times, part was a still there. he wrote in the wall street journal this weekend about the lack of safety measures for minors on instagram. francis haugen also back with us. jennifer, let's start with your investigation into girl influencer accounts. i saw this are pretty much
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every mother, every woman i knew was sending this around yesterday. these are moms putting their daughters in these outfits, in these poses, on social media platforms. these accounts are regularly stopped by grown men. tell us more. >> yeah, so, we started out wanting to look at how the influencer industry, this ecosystem, which is huge among gen z, how this is trickling down to younger children. what we found was that there are thousands of accounts on instagram that are run by parents in which, it's usually girls, are trying to be models or dancers or influencers in some, kind of, [inaudible] like that. you know, i think a lot of them start out pretty innocently, just their modeling whatever, leotard's and so forth that they may be using in their activities. they attract men. i think the platform serves
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these accounts up to men and they start commenting and most of the parents do try to block these men. it's a major job for them. but then some of them realize that, you know, they want to grow their following and it is hard to grow a large following if tens of thousands of people without accepting these man. there is a final, i think, where most of the accounts are blocking the man. at the very end of that final, we found accounts where parents had been charged and convicted of child exploitation and actually courting these men who were attracted to young girls. >> wow. jeff, let's talk about your
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investigation. you discovered that an instagram tool actually enabled exploitation. it's what jennifer was just alluding to. matt it knew and did nothing about it. tell us. >> yes. this is the subscription feature. it turns out that selling children as a subscription product is a high-risk endeavor, but what meta was doing was basically allowing content creators, including these minors run accounts that linda was talking about, to, basically, recruit paying customers who like to purchase further photo video sets. if you are wondering what type of person would be willing to pay for that content involving an 11 or 12-year-old who is
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modelling bikinis, your first dress is probably correct. this is a thing where the platform understood that these parents were directly encouraging and recruiting these people. in fact, the platform's own recommendation system would once an influencer got popular with a certain set of users, it would recommend them to others who had the same characteristics. this is a platform basically pushing the stuff to be exact wrong audience. it's definitely a case parents should not be doing. at the same time, you know, meta built the instep to -- incentive structure here. >> meta built it, the parents are cool with it. i'm throwing up in my mouth. frances, you are not a. you're not surprised by any of this? >> yeah. another big news story in the last month was the -- attorney
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general, brought suits specifically what jennifer and jeff raised. they set up accounts like this. make mom managing child account, that kind of thing. it didn't matter that the number -- the most populous set of users that they had because people from nigeria. that was most populous country. it didn't matter that the demographics of who was following these accounts didn't make any sense at all. if facebook had been at all awake at the wheel and monitoring for any of these, they would be able to adjust most of this problem. we have no laws in this country that require these companies to disclose what they can do to keeping kids safe. there are no requirements that allow the public to monitor and sure that there is a reasonable level of safety for all children that are on these platforms. >> francis, we have seen hearing after hearing with big tech leaders. some parents are pleading for
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change. the tech leaders apologized. the whistleblower's come forward. still, nothing changes. the reporting we have seen this weekend's second. on the part of these platforms and a lot of these parents. what will it take to truly hold these platforms accountable because the overwhelming majority of people who are using them and our children who want to use them don't want this out there. >> i think the ticking time bomb for these platforms is how long will the advertisers be willing to accept the risks there being exposed to. remember, when you have this kind of content, when you have these kinds of users, we have systems that over no forget get
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caught promoting incredibly harmful experiences to children, at some point, the advertisers wake up and say, this is too risky to our brands. i think the question is, you know, we haven't had that tipping point yet. the data is there. someone is going to organize it. someone is going to show how often brands are showing up against experiences, i'm sure there wouldn't want to be exposed -- with. >> we can only hope. maybe those brands are going to say the same thing some of these parents have. money's money. jennifer, jeff, thank you so much. frances, always good to see you. thank you for joining us. when we come back, the story i have waited all 53 minutes to tell you. a historic gift that will help generations to come. there is one woman to think. when the 11th hour continues. k. when the 11th hour continues.
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